In this oral history Kat Arthur discusses her early introduction to music and aptitude, family life, and early rebelliousness. She talks about the LA punk scene and how gender shaped the culture. Arthur details her experience touring with her band Legal Weapon, her various day jobs (prop-maker and gravedigger). She also discusses the experience of starting and running her own record label and the experience of working with a major label. Arthur notes the importance of music in her life and why she writes from experience. The interview concludes with her thoughts on the visibility of women in rock, what she considers to be her contribution to rock history, and urging women to support one another.

Kat Arthur was a singer-songwriter best known for her work in Legal Weapon. She passed away after a long illness in October, 2018.

INTERVIEW BY TANYA PEARSON

FILMED AND EDITED BY SOPHIA CACCIOLA AND MICHAEL J. EPSTEIN

October, 2016

In this oral history Melissa Auf der Maur discusses growing up in a politically aware and public family, her early education in the arts, and picking up the bass at the age of 17. Auf der Maur talks about working in a club from a young age, her expectations of herself, and how she was asked to join Hole and initially refused. She details the experience of joining Hole, her work with the band, and why she eventually left. Auf der Maur talks about her career after Hole, emphasizing touring with Smashing Pumpkins for a year, and her two solo albums: Auf der Maur and Out Of Our Minds. Auf der Maur openly discusses pregnancy and motherhood. She also talks about her current project, Basilica Hudson, a community arts and performance venue in Hudson, New York. The interview concludes with her thoughts on her role in rock history, the visibility of women in the rock industry, and what she is most proud of.

Melissa Auf der Maur is a bassist, singer-songwriter, and photographer best known for her work in Hole. Auf der Maur currently lives in Hudson, New York with her husband and daughter.

INTERVIEW BY TANYA PEARSON

FILMED BY JEN DESSINGER AND PIPER PRESTON

EDITED BY TANYA PEARSON

November, 2018

In this oral history Alice Bag openly discusses her childhood in an unstable and abusive home, her complex relationships with her parents, and experience growing up as a Mexican-American in the United States. Bag discusses her early affinity for music, her parents' support, and how she was affected by the pressure to assimilate. She talks about her middle school experience and foray into glam rock and eventual transformation into a musician herself. Bag recounts her experience of having an abortion and how she and her mother became closer. She describes her life after high school, highlighting her commitment to her own education via community college, and involvement in the Hollywood punk scene. Bag describes the scene, The Bags reception, and her onstage persona. Bag explores how she has used anger in her life. She talks about how she became a teacher and her career thereafter, she conveys the importance of using teaching as a method of resistance and justice. Bags recalls her experience as a mother and the need to have a life of her own. She talks about aging, public perception, and her self published book: Violence Girl, From East LA Rage to Hollywood Stage. The interview concludes with her thoughts on the category of women in rock and representation of women of color in the world at large and within punk specifically.

Alice Bag is a singer, musician, teacher, and author. Best known for her work in The Bags, Bag has played with or formed the Alice Bag Band, Cholita!, and Stay at Home Bomb. Bag’s memoir Violence Girl, From East LA Rage to Hollywood Stage was published by Feral House in 2011. She also does oil paintings.

INTERVIEW BY TANYA PEARSON

FILMED BY SOPHIA CACCIOLA

EDITED BY SOPHIA CACCIOLA AND MICHAEL J. EPSTEIN

July, 2015

In this oral history, Mish Barber-Way discusses her upbringing in Vancouver, her relationship with her parents, siblings and friends, her experiences as a high school and college student and her involvement in the local music scene. She details the formation of White Lung, her relationship with her bandmates, the band’s trajectory to success and her eventual move to the United States. Barber-Way also discusses her musical influences, feminism, sexism, and her experience as a working musician, journalist and writer.

Mish Barber-Way is a musician, vocalist, and journalist best known as lead singer of White Lung.

INTERVIEW BY TANYA PEARSON

FILMED AND EDITED BY SOPHIA CACCIOLA AND MICHAEL J. EPSTEIN

July, 2016

In this oral history Jula Bell discusses the music scene in the 1980s and 90s, touring, songwriting, and gender. She also talks about her work in subsequent bands, Nip Drivers, Bobsled, and Marc Spitz Freestyle, and her current career.

Jula Bell is a musician and bassist, best known as the founding member of the 1990s Los Angeles based irreverent, punk band, Bulimia Banquet.

INTERVIEW BY TANYA PEARSON

FILMED BY SOPHIA CACCIOLA AND MICHAEL J. EPSTEIN

EDITED BY MICHAEL J. EPSTEIN

February, 2018

In this oral history Ginger Bianco discusses growing up in Flushing, New York and her early childhood connection to the drums. She talks about her experience as a female drummer in the late 50s’, running away from home at 16, and starting Goldie and the Gingerbreads with Genya Ravan. Bianco delves into her experience touring with the Rolling Stones, the scene culture in Hollywood, working for the Playboy Club, and living in the Hollywood Studio Club. She discusses starting her band Isis in the 70s’ after surviving an explosion, and opening for the Beach Boys, Three Dog Night, and Leon Russel. Bianco openly talks about addiction and recovery. The interview concludes with her thoughts on self-esteem, the historicization of female musicians, and spirituality.

Ginger Bianco is a drummer, best known for her work in her band Goldie and the Gingerbreads: the first all-female band to be signed to a major label. Bianco also founded the band Isis in the 1970s’ with former member of Goldie and the Gingerbreads, Carol MacDonald. She currently lives in North Carolina.

INTERVIEW BY TANYA PEARSON

FILMED BY JEN DESSINGER

EDITED BY MICHAEL J. EPSTEIN

January, 2018

In this oral history, Tracy Bonham discusses her childhood, its impact on her ability to assert herself, and her education as a singer and classical violinist. Bonham talks about her writing process and how it has changed over time, as well as why and how she started writing songs. She details her experience working under a major record label, the pressures of success, and finances. Bonham openly talks about motherhood, aging in the public eye, and lyricism. The interview concludes with her thoughts on the category of women in rock, visibility in the industry, what she considers to be her role in rock history, her proudest accomplishment, and the process of re-recording her album The Burdens of Being Upright.

Tracy Bonham is a singer-songwriter, guitarist, and violinist. Bonham is most well known for her 1996 album The Burdens of Being Upright and hit single “Mother, Mother”. She has been nominated for two Grammys. She currently lives in upstate New York with her husband and son.

INTERVIEW BY TANYA PEARSON

FILMED BY PIPER PRESTON AND TANYA PEARSON

EDITED BY TANYA PEARSON

May, 2017

In this oral history, Carla Bozulich discusses her childhood exposure to art, early musical efforts, and mental health. Bozulich openly talks about gender, the medical system, and mental health. She emphasizes the importance of activism through art. She also delves into the difference between signing to an indie label and signing to a major label, complicating the artificial binary. Bozulich dismisses genre and takes us through her creative process. The interview concludes with her thoughts on feminism, the visibility of women in rock, and aging.

Carla Bozulich is a singer-songwriter and lyricist who plays guitar and bass. She is known for being a founding member of The Geraldine Fibbers, Ethyl Meatplow, Scarnella, and Evangelista. Bozulich is a published author of poetry, articles, and fiction. She currently lives in California and continues to record and perform.

INTERVIEW BY TANYA PEARSON

FILMED BY SOPHIA CACCIOLA AND MICHAEL J. EPSTEIN

EDITED BY MICHAEL J. EPSTEIN

August, 2017

In this oral history, Laura Ballance discusses her family life growing up in Hatteras, North Carolina. Ballance highlights her initial hesitation to play music and how she was drawn to music by the DIY attitude of the punk scene. Ballance talks openly about trauma, her mental health, and their impacts on her life and career. She details how Superchunk started, as well as her independent record label “Merge”. Ballance talks openly about her hyperacusis, why she left Superchunk, and her love for her daughter. The interview concludes with her proudest accomplishments: her daughter and Merge.

Laura Ballance is a musician, bassist, and record label owner. She is best known for playing in her band Superchunk. Ballance currently works for her own label Merge and has quit touring with Superchunk due to her hyperacusis. She lives with her husband and daughter.

INTERVIEW BY KATE SUMNER

FILMED BY KATE SUMNER

December, 2014

In this oral history, Julie Cafritz discusses growing up in Washington DC and her childhood aversion to music. She details her family expectations, educational experiences, anti-semitism, and personal activism. Cafritz talks openly about sexual assault, disability, and mental health. She discloses that she accidentally started Pussy Galore as a joke and details her failed attempts to learn guitar. Cafritz discusses her creative process, relationship to music while in different bands, and talks candidly about motherhood. The interview concludes with her thoughts on women’s visibility in the music industry.

Julie Cafritz is a songwriter and guitarist best known for her bands Pussy Galore and Free Kitten. She has taught at Holyoke Community College and lives in Massachusetts with her two children.

INTERVIEWED/ FILMED/ EDITED BY TANYA PEARSON

December, 2014

In this oral history, Exene Cervenka discusses growing up in rural Illinois, going to Catholic school, and dropping out of high school at 16. Cervenka talks about death, grief, and having to shift her life plans to care for her family. She describes the process of moving to California and getting a job at the Beyond Baroque Center, where she met John Doe. Cervenka talks about the process of forming their band X with Billy Zoom, band dynamics, and how they were signed. She discusses the merit of success, if she has hope for the future, and the importance of making art. Cervenka talks openly about marriage, why the band dissolved, and how many women are treated in the medical system. The interview concludes with her thoughts on her role in rock history and the visibility of women in rock.

Exene Cervenka is a singer, poet, and artist best known for her work in her band X. She currently tours and performs with X and lives in Los Angeles, CA.

INTERVIEW BY TANYA PEARSON

FILMED BY SOPHIA CACCIOLA AND MICHAEL J. EPSTEIN

EDITED BY MICHAEL J. EPSTEIN

January, 2018

In this oral history Toody Cole recounts growing up with six siblings, changing her name to Toody in high school, and her early attraction to performing. Cole talks about her lack of expectations for herself, how she met Fred Cole, and their subsequent marriage and children. Cole describes their adventures in the Yukon homesteading and eventual move back to Portland where they started Tombstone Music. Cole speaks to her and Fred’s commitment to DIY work and culture, as well as how their band Dead Moon formed and her role within it. Cole talks about the band’s work schedule, disdain for rehearsal, touring, and staging. She discusses Fred Cole’s illness and death and why she no longer plays. The interview concludes with her thoughts on her role in rock history, the visibility of women in rock, what she is most proud of, and the category of women in rock.

Toody Cole is a bassist best known for her work in Dead Moon and Pierced Arrows.

INTERVIEW BY TANYA PEARSON

FILMED BY SOPHIA CACCIOLA

EDITED BY MICHAEL J. EPSTEIN

May, 2019

In this oral history Ginger Coyote delves into the punk scene of the 80’s and beyond. Coyote talks about her friendships and connections within the scene, the beginning of Punk Globe Magazine and its growth, and starting her band White Trash Debutantes. She details the band’s invitation to Tanya Harding to play with them and the publicity which followed. Coyote also talks about White Trash Debutante’s politics and activism. The interview concludes with her thoughts on sexism in the music industry and punk scene, what she considers to be her legacy, and if the category of “Women in Rock” is necessary.

Ginger Coyote is a musician, author, and long term member of the punk scene. She founded Punk Globe Magazine in 1977 as a response to the lack of publicity for punk bands. Coyote emphasizes the importance of friendship and respect in the punk scene.

INTERVIEW BY TANYA PEARSON

FILMED BY SOPHIA CACCIOLA AND MICHAEL J. EPSTEIN

EDITED BY MICHAEL J. EPSTEIN

February, 2018

In this oral history Brie Howard-Darling discusses growing up, her early introduction to playing the drums, and accidentally auditioning for a band at 14. Howard-Darling talks about her experience as a Filipino-American in her small town, creating visual art, and how she met June and Jean Millington and joined the Svelts. Howard-Darling talks openly about marrying at 17 and having her daughter at 18, as well as the challenges of raising a child while playing in a band. She discusses how her career has changed over time highlighting her time as a percussionist, singer, songwriter, and touring with different artists, as well as her experience being signed to different labels. She also touches on her love for collaboration and the difference between being the front person and being the drummer. Howard-Darling talks about her careers as a cake decorator and actor, while acknowledging that music is her primary outlet. The interview concludes with her thoughts on the visibility of women in rock, her role in rock history, and the category of women in rock.

Brie Howard-Darling is a drummer, percussionist, singer, and songwriter. Known for her work in the band Fanny, Howard-Darling has also worked with artists such as ​​Carole King, Ringo Starr, and The Temptations.

INTERVIEW BY TANYA PEARSON

FILMED BY SOPHIA CACCIOLA AND MICHAEL J. EPSTEIN

EDITED BY MICHAEL J. EPSTEIN

August, 2017

In this oral history Alice de Buhr discusses learning the drums in second grade, growing up in a small town, and coming out as a queer woman in high school. She talks openly about the homophobia she experienced in her hometown and how she left for California. De Buhr recalls her first year in California and how she eventually met Jeanne and June Millington and subsequently joined the Svelts, which eventually became Fanny. She talks about the band’s dynamic and creative process, their record label, and being marketed as a novelty. De Buhr discusses how the band closeted themselves in interviews and how she was affected by her own internalized homophobia. She recounts her experience touring with Fanny, meeting David Bowie, and her favorite memories. De Buhr describes her career after Fanny, and openly talks about addiction. The interview concludes with her thoughts on the visibility of women in rock, Fanny’s role in rock history, and aging.

Alice de Buhr is a drummer best known for her work in Fanny, the first all female band to record an album on a major label. De Buhr lives in Arizona with her partner. The documentary Fanny: The Right to Rock was released in 2021.

INTERVIEW BY TANYA PEARSON

FILMED BY SOPHIA CACCIOLA

EDITED BY SOPHIA CACCIOLA AND MICHAEL J. EPSTEIN

July, 2016

In this oral history Tanya Donelly discusses growing up in an alternative/hippie structure, how she’s interacted with press over time, and dynamic between her and her sister Kristin Hersh. Donelly talks about touring with her band Throwing Muses as a highschooler and how the music industry pits women against each other. She details her experiences in Throwing Muses, The Breeders, and Belly, as well as why she left each band respectively. Donelly delves into her experience of signing to a large record label, fame, and success. She openly talks about mental health and addiction. She also talks about motherhood, doulaing, and her understanding of spirituality. Donelly explains and elaborates on her creative process throughout the interview as well as a few specific songs. The interview concludes with her thoughts on her role in rock history, the visibility of women in the music industry, and the category “women in rock”.

Tanya Donelly is a singer-songwriter, guitarist and doula, known for her work with Throwing Muses, The Breeders, and Belly. Donelly has had a profound effect on rock. She lives with her husband and two daughters.

INTERVIEW BY TANYA PEARSON

FILMED BY PIPER PRESTON

June, 2017

In this oral history Gail Ann Dorsey talks about growing up in Philadelphia, her mother, her early connection to music, and teaching herself the guitar and bass. Dorsey discusses the impact of seeing other women play the electric guitar and how this inspired her to play music. She recalls her time as a student at the California Institute of the Arts as the only female member of her class, and why she left school to return to music. Dorsey details her experience working under multiple major labels and her experience recording and producing her third album herself. Dorsey talks about her experience working with David Bowie and what she learned as an artist while noting the difficulties of touring. She discusses how her identity as a Black woman has impacted her career, her thoughts on gender as a category, and experiences witnessing sexism in the industry. The interview concludes with her thoughts on her role in music history, working with Olivia Newton John, and what she is most proud of.

Gail Ann Dorsey is a singer, songwriter, and legendary bassist. Best known for her work in David Bowie’s band from 1995 to 2016, Dorsey has played with The National, Lenny Kravitz, Boy George, the Indigo Girls, Gwen Stefani, and Ani DiFranco. She currently lives in upstate New York.

INTERVIEW BY TANYA PEARSON

FILMED AND EDITED BY SOPHIA CACCIOLA AND MICHAEL J. EPSTEIN

May, 2016

In this oral history, Cecilia Villar Eljuri discusses growing up as an immigrant from Ecuador in New York City and how her music is deeply intertwined with her roots. Eljuri talks about the rock and espanol scene, Latin Rock Pop, and her experience being signed to multiple labels as a bilingual, multi-genre, Latina woman. She also details the experience of owning and managing her own record label, the difference between collaboration and control, her activism for immigration reform, women’s rights, and anti-border justice. The interview concludes with Eljuri emphasizing the importance of community organizing.

Cecilia Villar Eljuri is a Latina singer, songwriter, guitarist, and producer. Known for her band “Groupo Fiesta”, a Latin Rock Pop band, and her solo career, Eljuri has committed her life to music and activism. Eljuri has toured internationally for over a decade and is releasing her new album in summer 2022.

INTERVIEW BY TANYA PEARSON

FILMED BY JEN DESSINGER & PIPER PRESTON

EDITED BY TANYA PEARSON

March, 2019

In this oral history, Eva Gardner discusses growing up in an artistic family in LA and her musical influences. Gardner talks about the difference between formal musical education and DIY learning and the benefits of both. She discusses how gender affects band dynamics and hiring. Gardner details her experience touring with major artists such as Cher, P!nk, and Alice Bag, and her experience playing in local indie bands. She talks about the visibility of women in rock, citing gender, instrument, and public perception as contributing factors to if a musician is remembered in history. The interview concludes with Gardner’s thoughts on the category of “Women in Rock,” how touring has affected her personal life, and what she considers to be her greatest accomplishment.

Eva Gardner is a bassist and solo artist. She has played with P!nk, Cher, Gwen Stefani, and many other artists. She grew up in Los Angeles with her family and helps run the family business while not on tour.

INTERVIEW BY TANYA PEARSON

FILMED BY SOPHIA CACCIOLA AND MICHAEL J. EPSTEIN

EDITED BY MICHAEL J. EPSTEIN

January, 2017

In this oral history Michelle Gonzales discusses growing up as a Mexican-American in a small, conservative town, her life at home, and her experience at school. Gonzales talks openly about generational and personal trauma, and how her anger at being oppressed as a person of color and a poor person led her to the punk scene. Gonzales details starting her first band Bitch Fight and learning how to play the drums. Gonzales communicates the lessons she learned from being in Bitch Fight and how that shaped her experience in her second band, Spitboy. Gonzales talks about meeting her bandmates, their band dynamics, and the wider punk scene. She balances her personal experiences with the overarching political atmosphere of the time. Gonzales also talks about motherhood, marriage, and her book: The Spitboy Rule: Tales of a Xicana in a Female Punk Band. The interview concludes with her thoughts on the visibility of women in rock, the importance of archives, and her legacy.

Michelle Gonzales is a drummer, author, and English professor. She is best known for her work in Spitboy and her book: The Spitboy Rule: Tales of a Xicana in a Female Punk Band. Gonzales lives with her husband and son.

INTERVIEW BY TANYA PEARSON

FILMED AND EDITED BY SOPHIA CACCIOLA AND MICHAEL J. EPSTEIN

July, 2016

In this interview Miss Guy talks about growing up in southern California, his family, and defying gendered expectations. He discusses his love for fashion, Cher, and the process of building his confidence. Guy delves into the NYC rock scene of the 90s’ and his experience as a drag queen, DJ, and performer. He talks about founding Toilet Böys, touring the US and EU, setting a London club on fire, and working with artists like the Red Hot Chili Peppers and Debbie Harry. The interview concludes with Guy’s thoughts on gender, learning to be satisfied, and astrology.

Miss Guy is a singer, songwriter, and frontman best known for his band Toilet Böys. Miss Guy has been a part of the NYC rock scene since the 90s’ as a drag queen, DJ, and musician. Miss Guy has worked with artists such as Blondie, Boy George, and Deborah Harry.

INTERVIEW BY TANYA PEARSON

FILMED BY MAC MCDONALD

EDITED BY TANYA PEARSON

October, 2016

Bibbe Hansen is a performance artist, musician, actress and author best known for her work with Andy Warhol, Black Fag, and her contributions to the Los Angeles Punk scene in the 1970s and 80s.

INTERVIEWED AND FILMED BY TANYA PEARSON

Full interview available for viewing at the Sophia Smith Collection at Smith College or per request: libraryhelp@smith.edu

December, 2016

In this oral history, Kristen Hersh discusses growing up in Rhode Island and learning guitar with synthesia, and starting her band Throwing Muses. Hersh openly talks about mental health, motherhood, and her relationship with music. She details her experience signing to Warner Brothers, leaving her band Throwing Muses, and her creative process. Hersh also discusses her books, Ratgirl and Toby Snax. The interview concludes with her thoughts on the music industry and creating music for the sake of passion.

Kristen Hersh is a singer-songwriter, musician, and author. Known for her solo career and work with her two bands, Throwing Muses and 50FootWave, Hersh is a prolific musician. She has written 5 books.

INTERVIEWED AND FILMED  BY TANYA PEARSON

EDITED BY MICHAEL J. EPSTEIN

December, 2014

In this oral history Brenda Lee discusses her upbringing in the South, her early start in the music industry, and love for singing. Lee talks about the importance of education, highlighting that she was able to go to highschool while working in the music industry. She delves into her positive experience working under a record label as a child in the 60s’ and shares that she always had the autonomy to make her own decisions. Lee describes touring globally, her non-stop work schedule, and double standards within the industry. She tells the story of how she met her husband and her experience as a mother while touring. Lee talks about her relationship to spirituality, how she has avoided pitfalls in her career, and meeting icons such as Judy Garland, Ella Fitzgerald, and more. Lee stresses the importance of gratitude and family. The interview concludes with her thoughts on her role in rock history, the visibility of women in rock, and what she is most proud of.

Brenda Lee is a rockabilly, pop, and country singer, and icon. She had 47 US chart hits during the 1960s and is considered one of the founding members of rock and roll. Lee is the first woman to be inducted into both the Rock and Roll and Country Music Halls of Fame. Lee is also an author and published her autobiography Little Miss Dynamite: The Life And Times Of Brenda Lee in 2000. Lee has sold over 100 million records worldwide. She lives in Nashville with her husband.

INTERVIEW BY TANYA PEARSON

FILMED BY SOPHIA CACCIOLA

EDITED BY MICHAEL J. EPSTEIN

May, 2018

In this oral history Lydia Lunch discusses being saved by literature at a young age, running away from home to New York at 14, and inventing a new way of making art. Lunch talks about her creative process, performing in bands Teenage Jesus and the Jerks, 8 Eyed Spy, Beirut Slump, and Retrovirus, how she connects with other artists, and her inspiration for spoken word poetry. She talks about what art is and why it is important to her and others to create. The interview concludes with her thoughts on spirituality, relationships, and activism.

Lydia Lunch is a musician, poet, artist, author, and self described historian-journalist. She is best known for founding the seminal No Wave band Teenage Jesus and the Jerks, her spoken word poetry and prolific discography. She continues to perform spoken word and in her band Lydia Lunch’s Retrovirus. A documentary about her life, So Real It Hurts, was released in 2021.

INTERVIEW BY TANYA PEARSON

FILMED BY SOPHIA CACCIOLA

EDITED BY SOPHIA CACCIOLA AND MICHAEL J. EPSTEIN

December, 2014

In this oral history, Shirley Manson describes growing up in Edinburgh Scotland, rejecting organized religion at a young age, and her early adult life in different bands. She details her early work with Goodbye Mr. Mackenzie and Angelfish before joining Garbage. Manson talks about her experience in the band as the youngest person and only woman, being signed with multiple record labels, and how 9-11 impacted the music industry. Manson openly discusses aging and how the patriarchy encourages women to become invisible after 35. She talks about what she thinks it means to be an artist, her acting experience, and book. The interview concludes with her thoughts on the visibility of women in rock, the gender binary, and what she considers to be her legacy.

Shirley Manson is a singer, songwriter, musician, and actor. She grew up in Edinburgh Scotland and is best known for her work as the lead singer of Garbage. Garbage has toured worldwide and sold over 17 million records. Manson lives with her husband in Los Angeles and continues to record with Garbage. The band released No Gods, No Masters in 2021.

INTERVIEW BY TANYA PEARSON

FILMED BY SOPHIA CACCIOLA AND MICHAEL J. EPSTEIN

EDITED BY MICHAEL J. EPSTEIN

February 2018

In this oral history Zia McCabe discusses her personality, musical growth, and the financial aspects of being a rock star. She talks about her early exposure to the Portland music scene and joining the Dandy Warhols with little musical experience and tons of enthusiasm. McCabe delves into her experience with being signed to a major label and then running the band independently. She also talks about motherhood, activism, and starting her second band The Bush Prairies. The interview concludes with McCabe’s thoughts on women’s visibility and representation in the music industry, the gender binary, and the accomplishments she is most proud of.

Zia McCabe is an artist who plays bass, percussion, and keyboards. She is most well known for playing in the Dandy Warhols and her second band the Bush Prairies. McCabe works in real estate. She currently lives with her partner and her daughter.

INTERVIEW BY TANYA PEARSON

FILMED BY SOPHIA CACCIOLA

EDITED BY MICHAEL J. EPSTEIN

May, 2019

In this oral history Jean Millington talks about growing up in the Philippines, moving to the US at the age of 12, and learning to play instruments with her sister, June. Millington describes how Fanny was named and details being signed to a major label, including her experience touring, the workload, and how the label marketed Fanny. She talks honestly about band dynamics and why Fanny broke up. She recalls her favorite memories and opportunities from her career, including recording at Apple Studios and meeting David Bowie. Millington talks about marriage, motherhood, and her career as an herbalist. She describes why she, June, and Brie Howard-Darling reunited as Fanny Walks The Earth, and her long recovery from a stroke she suffered in 2018. The interview concludes with her thoughts on her role in rock history, the visibility of women in rock, and what she is most proud of.

Jean Millington is a bassist best known for founding Fanny, the first all-female band to release an album with a major label. She has two children and lives with her husband in California. The documentary Fanny: The Right to Rock was released in 2021.

INTERVIEW BY TANYA PEARSON

FILMED BY SOPHIA CACCIOLA

EDITING AND SOUND BY MICHAEL J. EPSTEIN

June, 2018

In this oral history Terri Nunn discusses the LA entertainment industry, her early introduction to acting and music, and her family. She talks about her experience singing with Berlin, band dynamics, and working with a major label. Nunn explores the impact of capitalism on creativity and music, as well as how ageism works in the music industry. She talks about the downfalls of success and the impact it had on her relationship. Nunn also delves into her thoughts on what the point of music is, performance as an art form, and songwriting. She discusses the differences Berlin has undergone and the benefits of aging. The interview concludes with her thoughts on the visibility of women in rock, what she considers to be her contribution to rock history, and what she is most proud of.

Terri Nunn is a singer-songwriter and actress. She is best known for her work with her band Berlin. Nunn has released eight albums with Berlin and one solo album. She lives with her husband and children in California.

INTERVIEW BY TANYA PEARSON

FILMED BY SOPHIA CACCIOLA

EDITING AND SOUND BY MICHAEL J. EPSTEIN

June, 2018

In this oral history, Amanda Palmer discusses growing up in the suburbs outside of Boston, her experience in the school system, and her early musical influences. She talks about her childhood interest in the piano and resistance to traditional teaching methods. Palmer details her college experience and mental health. She details her early twenties and her experience in Boston as a living statue and member of the Cloud Collective. Palmer talks about forming the Dresden Dolls, signing with Roadrunner records, the bands trajectory to success and eventual hiatus, as well as her solo career as a musician and author. Palmer concludes the interview discussing the purpose of music as well as her experience with reproductive healthcare and gender.

Amanda Palmer is singer-songwriter, pianist, author, and performance artist best known for her work in the Dresden Dolls, her solo work, theater pieces, and her book The Art of Asking. Palmer continues to create music and art. She lives in New Zealand with her son and her partner. The Dresden Dolls announced a reunion in 2022.

INTERVIEW BY TANYA PEARSON

FILMED BY TANYA PEARSON

EDITED BY MICHAEL J. EPSTEIN

JUNE, 2017

In this oral history Freda Payne discusses growing up in Detroit, Michigan and her early career as a teenager, playing with Duke Ellington and Pearl Bailey. She recounts moving to New York City at the age of 18 and her transition from jazz to pop and R&B. Payne talks openly about her experience with numerous record labels, management, and touring. She discusses her career as an actor, both on Broadway and in Hollywood, hosting her own talk show, and playing Ella Fitzgerald in Ella: First Lady of Song. Payne speaks to why she transitioned back to jazz music, as well as the highlights of her career. She discusses her overall reception, what she is most proud of, and how relationships can be impacted by time intensive careers. The interview concludes with her thoughts on how she has changed as an artist and what she considers her role in rock history.

Freda Payne is a singer, actress, and musical legend. Best known for her hit song “Band of Gold,” Payne is a prolific singer and has recorded 16 albums.

INTERVIEW BY TANYA PEARSON

FILMED BY SOPHIA CACCIOLA

EDITING AND SOUND BY MICHAEL J. EPSTEIN

June 21st & 26th, 2018

In this oral history Phranc discusses the LA women’s collective scene, coming out as a lesbian, and selling Tupperware. Phranc talks about her early education in art, career as a printer maker and later as a visual artist, and accidental introduction to punk rock. She details both the queer and punk scene, noting their similarities. Phranc outlines her many bands, including Castration Squad, her solo career, and experience working with major labels. Phranc talks openly about grief and mental health. The interview concludes with her thoughts on motherhood and her role in rock history.

Phranc is a self described “all-American, jewish, lesbian folksinger”. Phranc has always been publicly queer, and has had a huge impact on the queer community. She has appeared in three documentaries: The Decline of Western Civilization, She’s Real, Worse Than Queer, and Lifetime Guaruntee. Phranc lives in California with her wife and two daughters.

INTERVIEW BY TANYA PEARSON

FILMED BY SOPHIA CACCIOLA AND MICHAEL J. EPSTEIN

EDITED BY MICHAEL J. EPSTEIN

September, 2016

In this oral history Pat Place discusses growing up in the 60s’, high school drug culture, and her early art education. Place talks about the NYC scene culture in the 1970s’ and joining The Contortions before actually learning to play the guitar. Place documents the band’s start, success, and eventual break up, before launching into her second band Bush Tetras. Place openly talks about mental health, grief, addiction, and sobriety. The interview concludes with her thoughts on relationships, and the visibility of women in rock.

Pat Place is an artist, musician, and guitarist best known for her work in The Contortions and Bush Tetras.

INTERVIEW BY TANYA PEARSON

FILMED BY JEN DESSINGER AND PIPER PRESTON

EDITED BY TANYA PEARSON

March, 2019

In this oral history, Genya Ravan discusses growing up in a Polish immigrant family, her relationship with her mother, and her experience of generational trauma. She talks about her rebellious youth, semi-accidentally setting her elementary school on fire, and running away from the man she was forced to marry. She details her experience in her many bands: the Escorts, Ten Wheel Drive, and Goldie and the Gingerbreads, the first all-girl band signed to a major label, as well as her experience as a producer. Ravan talks candidly about addiction, sex work, and cancer. She concludes with her thoughts on gender issues in the music industry and aging.

Genya Ravan is a singer, producer, radio DJ, and author. Known for being in the first female rock band signed to a major label, Ravan has been a trailblazer her entire life. After her career with Goldie and the Gingerbreads, Ravan eventually started a career as a producer in the 70s’, producing the Dead Boys and others.

INTERVIEW BY TANYA PEARSON

FILMED BY JEN DESSINGER 

EDITED BY MICHAEL J. EPSTEIN

January, 2018

In this oral history Kira Roessler discusses growing up in the LA punk scene, her early introduction to music by her older brother, and her relationship with her family. Roessler talks about gender dynamics in bands, how misogyny functioned in the punk scene, and her personal experiences of misogyny. Roessler details joining Black Flag and her life touring. She also talks about her identity as a musician and her career as a dialogue editor. The interview concludes with her thoughts on her contributions to rock history, the visibility of women in rock, and winning two Emmys and one academy award.

Kira Roessler is a bassist and dialogue editor. She is known for playing with Black Flag from 1983 to 1985. She currently records and performs with Mike Watt in the band Dos. Roessler has won two Emmys and one academy award for her work as a dialogue editor. She lives in Los Angeles with her partner and dog.

INTERVIEW BY TANYA PEARSON

FILMED BY SOPHIA CACCIOLA

EDITED BY SOPHIA CACCIOLA AND MICHAEL J. EPSTEIN

July, 2016

In this oral history Cynthia Ross discusses growing up in Toronto, Canada, her experience in the education system, family history, and early interest in visual art. Ross details how the B-Girls formed after a Thin Lizzy concert, noting that none of them knew how to play their instruments yet. She explains the band’s trajectory from learning how to play to their first recording three months later to touring with The Clash. Ross describes the New York punk scene and its supportive atmosphere. She talks openly about the drug culture of the scene and her own experience of addiction and recovery. Ross discusses the break up of the B-Girls and her many careers afterward, many of which focused on community support for housing and addiction recovery, as well as how motherhood impacted her. She talks about aging, how her relationship to music has changed over time, and why she has chosen to write a memoir. The interview concludes with her thoughts on the visibility of women in rock and her role in rock history.

Cynthia Ross is a bassist, songwriter, and social worker best known for her work in the B-Girls. The B-Girls re-formed in 2018 and toured Japan for the first time. Ross currently lives in New York and performs in New York Junk.

INTERVIEW BY TANYA PEARSON

FILMED BY SOPHIA CACCIOLA AND MICHAEL J. EPSTEIN

EDITED BY MICHAEL J. EPSTEIN

December, 2016

In this oral history, JD Samson discusses growing up in Ohio, coming out at 15, and their early foray into political art. Samson talks about her life long commitment to activism and art, which fueled their major in Feminist Experimental Film. Samson explores the question of whether they consider themselves to be more of a visual artist than musician, and ultimately answers that they are both a multimedia artist and primarily a visual artist. Samson details how she joined their first band Le Tigre, working with Kathleen Hanna and Johanna Fateman, and why the band eventually dissolved. Samson openly talks about being gender queer while being percieved as falling within the binary in the music industry, citing examples of being perceived as a woman or as a man. They outline other projects they’ve been a part of or started including Dykes Can Dance, New England Roses, and prominently, MEN. Samson continuously returns to the idea of what art is and how they have spent their life making art. The interview concludes with her thoughts on maintaining relationships while in a band, feeling stuck in musicianship, and the category of women in rock.

JD Samson is a DJ, musician, songwriter, and artist. Best known for their work in Le Tigre and MEN, Samson has always been committed to political and activist art. She currently performs in the band Crickets with Roddy Bottum and Michael O’Neil. In 2022, she announced a Le Tigre reunion tour.

INTERVIEW BY TANYA PEARSON

FILMED BY SOPHIA CACCIOLA

EDITED BY SOPHIA CACCIOLA AND MICHAEL J. EPSTEIN

December, 2014

In this oral history Kate Schellenbach discusses growing up in the West Village, the New York scene, and her childhood introduction to music. Schellenbach describes the process of teaching herself to play the drums by ear, what type of kid she was, and how she approached school. She talks about how she joined the Beastie Boys and why she left, her college experience, and joining Luscious Jackson. Schellenbach comments on the music industry, delving into how Lucious Jackson worked to maintain and control their image, how she was able to make a living, and maintain relationships while on tour. She talks about the generational differences in how queer people understand themselves and each other. Schellenbach emphasizes the importance of comedy in her life. The interview concludes with her thoughts on the visibility of women in rock, her role in rock history, and the category of women in rock.

Kate Schellenbach is a drummer and vocalist best known for her work in Lucious Jackson and the Beastie Boys. She currently works as a television producer and won an Emmy for her work as a segment producer on The Ellen DeGeneres Show.

INTERVIEW BY TANYA PEARSON

FILMED BY SOPHIA CACCIOLA AND MICHAEL J. EPSTEIN

EDITED BY MICHAEL J. EPSTEIN

February, 2018

In this oral history, Patty Schemel discusses growing up in Marysville WA, her early introduction to playing the drums, her family’s supportive nature, and being a closeted queer person. Schemel discusses how playing the drums helped boost her self esteem and how the Seattle punk scene developed. Schemel talks about how she joined Hole, her experience working with a major label, and the LA punk scene. She talks openly about addiction, mental health, and the recovery process, as well as how the culture of punk shaped her addiction. Schemel shares her experience of homelessness and eventual recovery. She also delves into what it means to her to be a mother, the values she hopes to pass on to her daughter. Schemel talks about her current life, job, and work with young girls to empower them through music. The interview concludes with her thoughts on her contribution to rock history and the visibility of women in rock.

Patty Schemel is a drummer and author best known for her work with Hole. Schemel has been a queer public figure since 1995 and has empowered other queer women to feel comfortable in the punk rock scene and the world. Her memoir Hit So Hard: A Memoir details her experience of fame, addiction, and recovery. Schemel currently lives with her daughter and partner and works with a rock camp for girls to empower them through playing music.

INTERVIEW BY TANYA PEARSON

FILMED BY SOPHIA CACCIOLA AND MICHAEL J. EPSTEIN

EDITED BY MICHAEL J. EPSTEIN

July, 2016

In this oral history Viola Smith recounts her childhood playing in her family’s all girl orchestra and learning to play the drums. Smith talks about living in New York City during World War II and what the music scene was like after many of the male musicians were drafted. Smith discusses the stars she has met over her life, turning down Frank Sinatra, the different bands, orchestras, and groups she’s played with. The interview ends with her thoughts on her role in music history, playing at the age of 105, and the visibility of women in music.

Viola Smith was a drummer known for her work in swing bands, orchestras, and movie soundtracks from 1925 to 1975. Smith is considered one of the first professional female drummers. She passed away at the age of 107.

INTERVIEW BY TANYA PEARSON

FILMED BY SOPHIA CACCIOLA AND MICHAEL J. EPSTEIN

EDITED BY MICHAEL J. EPSTEIN

January 2018

In this oral history, Azalia Snail discusses self-esteem, psychedelics, and her writing process. She details her childhood obsession with rock, musical influences, and family attitude towards rock and roll. Snail talks about touring in the 90s’, scoring music for movies, and writing with her husband. The interview concludes with her thoughts on how the music industry pushes women to “be sexy,” and her proudest accomplishments: never compromising on her vision, and creating her own sound.

Azalia Snail is a singer-songwriter who has been called “the Queen of Lofi”. She has written fifteen albums since 1990 and currently writes for her band Lovey-dove. She lives in Los Angeles with her husband.

INTERVIEW BY TANYA PEARSON

FILMED BY SOPHIA CACCIOLA AND MICHAEL J. EPSTEIN

EDITED BY MICHAEL J. EPSTEIN

August 2017

In this oral history, Donita Sparks discusses growing up outside of Chicago, her three older sisters, and how she was introduced to rock and roll. Sparks recalls her early ambitions to be a dancer, the draw of performing, and how hearing a Ramones record changed the course of her life. She describes moving to Los Angeles with no solid plans and the jumbled punk scene of the time. Sparks talks about how L7 formed, meeting each of the members, and how they contributed to the band as a whole. She discusses the difference between how media outlets and the punk community reacted to L7 and the members while delving into what she is remembered for. Sparks talks openly about how and why certain people are remembered and why others are forgotten. She stresses the importance of archives and remembering the past, saying that the L7 documentary was in part motivated by her desire to look out for her younger self. The interview concludes with her thoughts on aging in the public eye, the category of women in rock, and relationships in the entertainment industry.

Donita Sparks is a singer, songwriter, and guitarist best known for her work in L7.The band released their documentary, Pretend We’re Dead in 2016, and continue to record and perform. L7 released their first album in 20 years, Scatter the Rats, in 2019.

INTERVIEW BY TANYA PEARSON

FILMED AND EDITED BY SOPHIA CACCIOLA

July 2015

In this oral history, Mary Timony discusses her childhood in Washington, D.C. and her interest in music from a young age. She details her high school and college experience, including the music scene in Washington, D.C. in the early 1990s and how her participation in the musical community helped to curb her social anxiety. Timony recalls her college career, the formation of her band, Helium, and what led to their disbandment. She discusses her musical output, collaborations, relationships and some of the double standards that women rock musicians face.

Mary Timony is a multi-instrumentalist and vocalist best known as a founding member of Helium.

INTERVIEW BY TANYA PEARSON

Full interview available for viewing at the Sophia Smith Collection at Smith College or per request. Contact libraryhelp@smith.edu

December, 2014

In this oral history, Nina Gordon and Louise Post of Veruca Salt talk about their respective childhoods, introductions to music, and eventual meeting. Both Post and Gordon talk about their early connection to harmonies as children, and have musical parents. Gordon and Post speak to how they have always complemented each other’s strengths, but also how the music industry and their quick success impacted their friendship. After discussing how Veruca Salt broke up, Gordon and Post outline their solo careers and individual journeys towards motherhood. The artists ultimately credit their reunion to their shared experience of having multiple miscarriages and subsequently supporting one another. Both express that their creative process has become easier and more fun now that they are older and co-write songs. Gordon and Post talk about the experience of aging in the public eye and the pressure to look young. The interview concludes with their thoughts on the visibility and documentation of women in rock and what they are most proud of.

Nina Gordon is a singer, songwriter, and guitarist. She is most well known for co-founding and leading Veruca Salt with Louise Post. Gordon lives with her husband and two children.

Louise Post is a singer, songwriter, and guitarist. She is most well known for co-founding and leading Veruca Salt with Nina Gordon. Post lives with her husband and daughter.

NINA GORDON & LOUISE POST

INTERVIEW BY TANYA PEARSON

December, 2014

In this oral history, Cindy Wilson discusses growing up in Atlanta, Georgia, her early artistic influences, and her close relationship with her older brother and bandmate Ricky. Wilson talks about how The B-52s formed, her expectations when the band was starting, and signing to Warner Brothers. She details band dynamics and the group's writing process, crediting the members’ individual interests and tastes to their unique sound. Wilson talks openly about maintaining relationships while working, motherhood, and grief. She discusses Ricky’s death due to A.I.D.S related complications, her and the band’s grief, healing, and activism. Wilson also talks about her solo album and identity as a musician. The interview concludes with her thoughts on the visibility of women in the music industry, and her contributions to rock and roll.

Cindy Wilson is a singer-songwriter and percussionist best known for her work in The B-52s, one of the leading bands in the new-wave sound. Wilson lives with her husband in Georgia and has two children. The B-52s announced their farewell tour in 2022.

INTERVIEW BY TANYA PEARSON

FILMED BY MAC MCDONALD

October, 2016

In this oral history Thalia Zedek discusses growing up as a first generation immigrant, childhood musical exposure, and school experience. Zedek explores her early school experiences and highschool introduction to punk music. She talks about the New York scene in the 1980s’ as well as how drug culture influenced the scene. Zedek talks openly about addiction, recovery, and mental health, linking her own expereince to the current opioid crisis. From there, Zedek discusses the start of Come, moving back to Boston, and the Boston scene of the 1990s’. She talks about what it means to be successful, why Come disbanded, and how her creative process has changed over time. Zedek discusses how she has been perceived as an openly queer woman, and talks about how that perception might have shifted were she a man. She emphasizes the importance of art and compensating artists. The interview concludes with her thoughts on touring, the visibility of women in rock, her role in rock history, and if it matters if her work is remembered.

Thalia Zedek is a singer-songwriter best known for her work in Come. Zedek has always been an out lesbian figure in the scene. She is currently releasing music as a solo artist, reconnected with her Come bandmates for reunion shows, and plays in the rock trio E.

INTERVIEW BY TANYA PEARSON

FILMED BY TANYA PEARSON

EDITED BY MICHAEL J. EPSTEIN

January, 2018